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Was Jesus the Son of God? What does Adventism teach? You decide.

May 24, 2010

One of the biggest “ahaa” moments I have had during my search for truth was Who Jesus was while on earth.  I had been taught, as an Adventist, that Jesus had no advantage on earth over me.  That He was able to keep the law perfectly and so could I.  He was my Example.  With this teaching in my mind,  I was also then taught that Jesus was the Son of God.  Look closely at this paradigm.  He has no advantage over me, but He is God.  Let this sink in:  No advantage, but He is God.  No advantage, but He is God.  No advantage, but He is God.  Jesus had no advantage over me.  How does that work, unless I am a god or He is not God?  It doesn’t work.  Jesus’ came to save me, as God come in the form of man to earth.  Jesus always has been, continues to be, and will forever be God.  Jesus was God poured into a human form.  And yet, Adventism teaches Jesus has no advantage over me.

Since coming out of Adventism I am convinced that Jesus was fully God while on earth (as orthodox Christianity teaches) and born fully man (wrap your mind around that one!).  100% BOTH.  If Jesus is my example, then I am fully god and fully man, too.  Wrong!

Read these words Jesus said about Himself:  “I and the Father are one” and “The Father is in Me and I am in the Father” (John 10:29-39).  He said this while on earth!  Jesus also says, “If you’ve seen the Father, you’ve seen me”.

Furthermore, “God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.” (2 Cor. 5:19; NIV)

Jesus Christ was fully God while on earth … He was Immanuel, “God with us”.

If Jesus was my example while on earth then either I, too, am a god, or Jesus was not God while on earth.  Either way it is scripturally wrong.

Jesus was God and the perfect lamb for my debt of sin.  Either you believe in Jesus as fully God – come to earth in a human body, to save you from your debt of sin and separation from God – or He was an example of a human living a perfect life and therefore, was not God.  God does not lose His “godness” EVER!  – otherwise He would not be God.

Adventists will then argue (out of context) from Philipians 2:1-11 (ESV) to say that Jesus had no advantage we don’t have … Look closely at the verses they use:

Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. 4Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”

What is Paul teaching in this passage?  Humility.  God, Who is Spirit, served mankind by coming into the body of Mary, being born in a human body and then dying for my debt of sin.  Jesus, Who always has been, always will be, God, HUMBLED Himself and put on a human body – but He never gave up His Godness.  He gave up His honor as God in heaven and humbled Himself.  This is Grace personified.

So I leave you with this question?  Was Jesus fully God while on earth?  Was He the Son of God?  You decide?

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  1. May 24, 2010 2:05 pm

    It’s not an either/or. Paul in Philippians says, “Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus.” He’s saying that in order that it be an example to us. Likewise, 1 Peter 2:21, “To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.” This verse inspired Charles Sheldon to write the book, “In His Steps.” Likewise, an ancient Catholic devotional classic is “The Imitation of Christ.” All Christianity, Evangelical and Catholic, teaches that Jesus is our example.

  2. mcpryce permalink*
    May 24, 2010 2:12 pm

    I love this post, Keri.
    And I agree with Bill, that orthodox Christianity does teach that Jesus is our example…but Adventism distorts this teaching by saying that Jesus came to be our example on how to keep the law perfectly…and they do this to support their philosophy that our aim in life is to keep the law perfectly (the 10 commandments), ESPECIALLY THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT.

    Like many other things in Adventism, they take something completely biblical and God-honoring and distort it and make it counterfeit. It makes it hard to decipher truth from error.

  3. May 24, 2010 3:41 pm

    Bill, I, too, have heard orthodox Christians mention Jesus as our Example – but here is the crux of that phrase… The MEANING put behind those words, “Jesus, our example” … and that is one of the things I am trying to bring out in my post.

    Salvation is through Christ alone. PERIOD. (1 John 5:11-13; John 5:24; Eph. 2:1-8;) Adventism attaches salvation to the idea “Jesus, our example” – with the meaning that He had no advantage we don’t have today – therefore, we strive to live perfect lives on earth – which we will never be able to. Therefore, they are caught in deep bondage.

    Also, you quote from 1 Peter 2. As I am teaching through this blog … it is good to read the chapter before and the chapter after a text to understand the FULL meaning of the text. We are to do “good deeds” to glorify God and be an example to unbelievers around us – that is the meaning behind “Jesus, our example” in the usage of 1 Peter.

    1 John says, We will sin … and if we say we have no sin, we are liers … we ARE going to go on sinning until Jesus returns. We will never be perfect – Yet, Ellen White (the prophetess of Seventh-day Adventism – and in the SDA statements of belief who is a “continuing source of truth”) says believers will be perfect before Jesus comes and will stand without a mediator, Jesus Christ. HUH??? If someone stands without Christ as their mediator, they will not see eternal life.

    The question addressed directly in my blog post is Who was Jesus while on earth? Was He fully God or fully man? Or was He as scripture teaches both while on earth? Adventists teach a Jesus Who was not fully God while on earth and instead He was just like we are …

    I will address in future posts … the reason for our utter need for a Savior, Who was fully God – the BLAMELESS Passover Lamb – unlike us who are formed in our mother’s wombs spiritually dead, far from God, and sinners from the get go.

  4. David permalink
    June 5, 2010 2:19 pm

    Thanx for the comment
    If we real want to understand the word lets read it with empty mind
    If you will read with something in you,the verces will look like supporting you
    Iam an adventist,iam still in the church,I will not get out,Iam preacher taking care of Churches,but there are some truths we have to accept,lets not diffend our selves,but lets listen what the word says. Jesus is not our example at all,he is our substitute,my fellow adventists,for long time the church has been teaching that Jesus is our example by using the verse in Piter,but that is out of context,the verse is talking about suffering,thats when he is our example,that though he was touchered,but he was still humble,read again and again.
    My fellow adventists find the Book writen by Pastor Jack Siqueira called fundamental of evalasting gospels,you will be blessed.
    Dont diffend the Church,lets the Word diffend the Church.

    Thanx

    Pr. David

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